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The Admiral

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Water Pump - Advice Needed!

Post by The Admiral on Fri 13 Apr 2012, 11:21 pm

Still searching for a kitchen, seen quite a nice looking one on eBay from a Raclet Trailer tent that would fit nicely in the space. However it would need a water pump for the sink (assuming we get it of course) and being complete newbies to this aspect of Dandying we need advice about what we would need to get and how it fit it!

Please remember this will have to be a 'Dummies Guide' to Water Pumps as neither of us are very technical! lol!
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Re: Water Pump - Advice Needed!

Post by Helen on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 7:42 am

You can get water pumps at most camping shops for around £30, ours runs of the leisure battery.
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Re: Water Pump - Advice Needed!

Post by The Admiral on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 11:03 am

There's a Towsure and Go Outdoors locally so I'm sure we could get one, just not sure exactly what we should be looking for as I've had a quick look and there seems to be different sorts!
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Re: Water Pump - Advice Needed!

Post by Cazz on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 12:57 pm

We use a mechanical foot pump, we have a length of hose from the pump to a bottle of water outside, and another length from the pump to the tap. I did put a picture me the pump on Endecays Dandy thread.

We don't use it for drinking though, we have a colemans cooler inside for that.

Good luck in getting it sorted out.
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Re: Water Pump - Advice Needed!

Post by vickoir on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 1:08 pm

Hose connections : To suit 10mm or 13mm
Voltage : 12 Volt DC
Rec'd fuse Size : 5A Auto
Weight : 150g
Head flow rate per minute at 0m : 11 litres (2.4gal)
Power consumption rate per minute at 0m : 2.8amps
Head flow rate per minute at 1m : 9.8 litres (2.2gal)
Power consumption rate per minute at 1m : 2.7amps

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this is similar to what we have jayne and easy to set up either to 12v socket or battery
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Re: Water Pump - Advice Needed!

Post by Tow Itch on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 1:24 pm

Your choice of electric or manual pump may be affected by your use or non use of a leisure battery or 12v system that operates when or if you hook up.
i.e. it's no point having a pump if you don't have 12v electrics.
There were on some Dandys small battery boxes living under the sink that housed a battery specifically to power the pump.
While I know of these I haven't opened one up. I have no idea about what sort of battery(ies)they contain nor if these are available from retailers.
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Re: Water Pump - Advice Needed!

Post by mike on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 1:40 pm

Tow Itch wrote: Your choice of electric or manual pump may be affected by your use or non use of a leisure battery or 12v system that operates when or if you hook up.
i.e. it's no point having a pump if you don't have 12v electrics.
There were on some Dandys small battery boxes living under the sink that housed a battery specifically to power the pump.
While I know of these I haven't opened one up. I have no idea about what sort of battery(ies)they contain nor if these are available from retailers.

Kevin you may know the answer to this but i was told you could run a tap from the mains converter for a cool box or even a small battery charger,if so no 12 volt would be needed only mains,your thoughts please.

mike
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Re: Water Pump - Advice Needed!

Post by vickoir on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 1:49 pm

mike wrote:
Tow Itch wrote: Your choice of electric or manual pump may be affected by your use or non use of a leisure battery or 12v system that operates when or if you hook up.
i.e. it's no point having a pump if you don't have 12v electrics.
There were on some Dandys small battery boxes living under the sink that housed a battery specifically to power the pump.
While I know of these I haven't opened one up. I have no idea about what sort of battery(ies)they contain nor if these are available from retailers.

Kevin you may know the answer to this but i was told you could run a tap from the mains converter for a cool box or even a small battery charger,if so no 12 volt would be needed only mains,your thoughts please.

mike

our delta water whale pump ran on 4 d batterys (the big ones) til we changed it for 12v off lesiure battery
but you could run off a coolbox type plug adaptor
the 240v to 12v step down transformer type to run off mains
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Re: Water Pump - Advice Needed!

Post by Cazz on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 2:01 pm

mike wrote: Kevin you may know the answer to this but i was told you could run a tap from the mains converter for a cool box or even a small battery charger,if so no 12 volt would be needed only mains,your thoughts please.

mike

I can see no reason why it can't be run from the mains converter, if mains are available and no leisure battery. We usually camp in the middle of a field with neither and a car that is 6V. Shocked
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Post by Helen on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 2:13 pm

We have a whale pump similar to the one Vicki has shown, it plugs into a socket like the ones used in cars for charging your phone or a cigarette lighter socket. The thing we use has 3 of these plug in type holes and is then connected to the leisure battery via a two pin plug, you can see where on the charger box in the picture, the crocodile clips then fit to the battery. We can run other stuff along side the pump if we wish. We're lucky in that we can run without EHU as long as we've remembered to charge the battery lol! because we have a box that the leisure battery sits in with a built in charger that sits inside the front box of the dandy, it has a normal plug on it so if we have forgotten to charge the battery or it runs low and are on EHU we plug that in and off we go. We can run pump and the tv off the leisure battery.

I know it needs a wipe over but here it is anyway Shocked

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Re: Water Pump - Advice Needed!

Post by Tow Itch on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 4:23 pm

mike wrote:
Tow Itch wrote: Your choice of electric or manual pump may be affected by your use or non use of a leisure battery or 12v system that operates when or if you hook up.
i.e. it's no point having a pump if you don't have 12v electrics.
There were on some Dandys small battery boxes living under the sink that housed a battery specifically to power the pump.
While I know of these I haven't opened one up. I have no idea about what sort of battery(ies)they contain nor if these are available from retailers.

Kevin you may know the answer to this but i was told you could run a tap from the mains converter for a cool box or even a small battery charger,if so no 12 volt would be needed only mains,your thoughts please.

mike

It's intriguing when you write something and it can be interpreted in a completely different way than it was intended.
What I was trying to say was the pump can be run off:
1) A leisure battery
2) A specialised transformer, (zig type unit) a battery charger an off-take from a transformer from a cold box or whatever it is that you use to give you 12v from an EHU.
If you have any of the above and aren't just running 240v off your hook up.
3) If you have none of the above you can use a foot or hand pump alternatively some form of small battery boxes are available for powering the pump.


Now what I didn't say was that if your running an EHU and tapping of a small amperage power supply like a coldbox transformer you will demand more than the power available from the transformer. Having not done this myself I don't know if the fuse blows or you just get the coolbox slowing and lights dimming.
If taking power from this sort of supply a battery helps smooth the supply and also while taking surplus power during periods of lower consumption when just the coldbox is running then providing power when the pump is used.

Helen

A Lab Craft charger / power unit did you buy that new or did it come from an 80's caravan?
A friend has one in his old caravan but other than that I've not seen one in years.
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Re: Water Pump - Advice Needed!

Post by Helen on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 5:01 pm

It came with the Dandy Kevin Very Happy we were really chuffed when we first saw it ...... a real bonus.

We also have an inverter but have yet to bother using it.
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Re: Water Pump - Advice Needed!

Post by Helen on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 5:06 pm

I've just seen the pictures of Jayne's new cooker and sink unit on the fb group page and it's cracking ........ I think you should start a new thread Jayne in Dandy chat and show it off. Very Happy
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Re: Water Pump - Advice Needed!

Post by The Admiral on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 5:17 pm

I would but the photos are on my phone so I can't post them on here can I?
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Post by Helen on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 5:19 pm

I'm not sure but you could start a new thread and tell everyone about it and I can get the pictures on here for you Very Happy
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Re: Water Pump - Advice Needed!

Post by Cazz on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 5:20 pm

The Admiral wrote:I would but the photos are on my phone so I can't post them on here can I?

It depends on the phone, mine I couldn't, but I worked out a way round it, OH's you can do like you normally would.
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Re: Water Pump - Advice Needed!

Post by Helen on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 5:21 pm

Helen wrote:I'm not sure but you could start a new thread and tell everyone about it and I can get the pictures on here for you Very Happy

Just in case you missed it with us going onto another page lol!
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Re: Water Pump - Advice Needed!

Post by Cazz on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 5:22 pm

Helen wrote:
Helen wrote:I'm not sure but you could start a new thread and tell everyone about it and I can get the pictures on here for you Very Happy

Just in case you missed it with us going onto another page lol!

lol!
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Post by mike on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 5:26 pm

Tow Itch wrote:
mike wrote:
Tow Itch wrote: Your choice of electric or manual pump may be affected by your use or non use of a leisure battery or 12v system that operates when or if you hook up.
i.e. it's no point having a pump if you don't have 12v electrics.
There were on some Dandys small battery boxes living under the sink that housed a battery specifically to power the pump.
While I know of these I haven't opened one up. I have no idea about what sort of battery(ies)they contain nor if these are available from retailers.

Kevin you may know the answer to this but i was told you could run a tap from the mains converter for a cool box or even a small battery charger,if so no 12 volt would be needed only mains,your thoughts please.

mike

It's intriguing when you write something and it can be interpreted in a completely different way than it was intended.
What I was trying to say was the pump can be run off:
1) A leisure battery
2) A specialised transformer, (zig type unit) a battery charger an off-take from a transformer from a cold box or whatever it is that you use to give you 12v from an EHU.
If you have any of the above and aren't just running 240v off your hook up.
3) If you have none of the above you can use a foot or hand pump alternatively some form of small battery boxes are available for powering the pump.


Now what I didn't say was that if your running an EHU and tapping of a small amperage power supply like a coldbox transformer you will demand more than the power available from the transformer. Having not done this myself I don't know if the fuse blows or you just get the coolbox slowing and lights dimming.
If taking power from this sort of supply a battery helps smooth the supply and also while taking surplus power during periods of lower consumption when just the coldbox is running then providing power when the pump is used.

Helen

A Lab Craft charger / power unit did you buy that new or did it come from an 80's caravan?
A friend has one in his old caravan but other than that I've not seen one in years.

Sorry if i didnt get yor meaning kevin having a bit of fun at the moment trying to move over to a new computer affraid ime on the laptop doing this via the phone i have the loads slower dongle on the new one downloading a 153mb htc sync program before i can connect using the phone the connection is changing from 10kb/s to 170 kb/s and the download time is changing from 30min to over two hours
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Re: Water Pump - Advice Needed!

Post by Tow Itch on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 5:33 pm

The Admiral wrote:I would but the photos are on my phone so I can't post them on here can I?
Can you download from your phone or send as picture messages to someone who can download?


Mike

No I think I'm having a spell of not saying what I mean.

In fact I'm in some degree of do do for doing just that.
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Post by Helen on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 5:36 pm

I'm going to get them off fb and post on a new thread and then Jayne can tell us all about it. Very Happy
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Re: Water Pump - Advice Needed!

Post by mike on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 6:05 pm

I couldnt get back on due to what i was doing but i just email phone pictures to myself
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Re: Water Pump - Advice Needed!

Post by The Admiral on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 10:38 pm

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That's brilliant John, but way beyond our DIY capabilities. lol!
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Re: Water Pump - Advice Needed!

Post by The Admiral on Sun 15 Apr 2012, 9:39 pm

We've decided for now to go with the Whale foot pump like the one Cazz has, as that seems adequate for what we need! More flea bay searching coming up I think. lol!

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