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A full car licence already lets you tow trailers weighing no more than 750 kg. You can also tow heavier trailers with a car as long as the total weight of vehicle and trailer isn’t more than 3,500 kg. The fully loaded trailer must also not be heavier than the unladen vehicle.
julie72 wrote:I didn't really fancy taking the test Helen, I hated learning to drive lol. Its not that my car is small its actually a people carrier
which makes the weight a problem.
I think I'll probably go for the light blue one then there will be plenty weight left over to play with without the worry that its not legal.
Like you say the insurance companies will do anything to get out of paying xx
Glossary of Mass (weight) Related Terms Any hope of a sensible law on towing is lost when those framing it mix up the terms weight and mass but here is a glossary of terms from the NTTA (National Trailer And Towing Association) Any Italics mine.
Unladen Weight (UW)
The weight of the trailer (or towing vehicle) less removable optional equipment and load but what is quoted may or may not include aircon, other options and tow bar. If it suits your purpose weigh your car empty and deduct the fuel load
Gross Weight
The total weight of the trailer (or towing vehicle) and load Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) or Gross Weight Mass (GWM) The total weight of the towing vehicle and its load Never heard of GWM but is also the same as Maximum Authorised Mass (MAM)
Maximum Gross Weight (MGW)
The maximum figure set by the manufacturer for the gross weight. This will normally be the technically permissible maximum based on the carrying capacity of the tyres, axles, coupling, suspension and chassis but may have been adjusted downwards for commercial reasons
Technically Permissible Maximum Weight MTPM is usually applied to to caravans where the notional maximum for the chassis is varied on different models.
The technically permissible maximum based on the capacity of the tyres, axles, coupling, suspension and chassis
Maximum Authorised Mass (MAM)
As maximum gross weight above. The latest EC term as used in the Driver Licensing Regulations
Gross Train Weight (GTW )
The maximum allowable combined weight (combined MAM) of the towing vehicle and trailer as set by the towing vehicle manufacturer
Payload:
The difference between the gross weight of the trailer and its unladen weight, i.e. The load carrying capacity
Kerb Weight/Kerbside Weight
The weight of the towing vehicle (without payload), including all fluids required for operation (95/48/EEC: Vehicle, 90% full tank, 68kg driver and 7kg luggage.) not always been defined and you may find your handbook lists a figure derived differently see also unladen weight wrt accessories
I think I'll probably go for the light blue one then there will be plenty weight left over to play with without the worry that its not legal.
Like you say the insurance companies will do anything to get out of paying xx
ShaunJUK wrote:The government website has been updated and I must say it makes it a lot easier to understand, there was lots of complicated information on it before and I couldnt get my head around it. This is all they have (and need) on there now.
A full car licence already lets you tow trailers weighing no more than 750 kg. You can also tow heavier trailers with a car as long as the total weight of vehicle and trailer isn’t more than 3,500 kg. The fully loaded trailer must also not be heavier than the unladen vehicle.
a trailer over 750kg MAM as long as it is no more than the unladen or ‘kerb’ weight of the towing vehicle (with a combined weight of up to 3,500kg in total)
Tow Itch wrote: I'd find out if they did by any chance plate the tail end Riva models (obviously the Destiny in particular)
Tow Itch wrote:ShaunJUK wrote:The government website has been updated and I must say it makes it a lot easier to understand, there was lots of complicated information on it before and I couldnt get my head around it. This is all they have (and need) on there now.
A full car licence already lets you tow trailers weighing no more than 750 kg. You can also tow heavier trailers with a car as long as the total weight of vehicle and trailer isn’t more than 3,500 kg. The fully loaded trailer must also not be heavier than the unladen vehicle.
Shaun
Have you got the address for that site? Not sniping at you just bemused that after getting it wrong they could correct things then get it wrong again on the new website. The newest "Gov UK" site I could find gets unladen weight and kerbweight mixxed up of fails to see the difference where the preceeding site was correct. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
a trailer over 750kg MAM as long as it is no more than the unladen or ‘kerb’ weight of the towing vehicle (with a combined weight of up to 3,500kg in total)
The weights:julie72 wrote:Tow Itch don't feel that you're failing me at all, I do find it a bit of a brain ache trying to work it all out but I really appreciate the effort you are putting in to help me choose.
If I'm honest I do like the newer style Destiny with the toilet although that extra isn't a must, I came here to seek advice about what to buy and everyone has been extremely helpful.
Especially yourself, I'll never settle for second best just what fits best into my situation if you know what I mean![]()
The bit I don't understand is the MAM does that include passengers and luggage? Or are they extra on top?
And the gross weight on the trailer is that when its loaded with extra luggage or just with what it contains without?
Generally when we go away its usually myself my mum and 2 kids in my car and my other half and 2 kids in his car and kind of share the luggage between the 2 also.
Do you think with doing this the weight won't be so bad?
Thanks for staying up so late to try and help me too it is appreciated x but can I say I don't feel like people are putting me off I feel they are just advising. I think I'll probably decide properly once I view them in person. I'm not sure about the hieght but I know my driving position is a lot higher than a saloon so it maybe ok.
Lol Helen my birthday is june 8th and i'll look forward to you congratulating me![]()
Helen wrote:Saw one on one of the very first dark blue with loo Destiny's, the plate was on the A frame. Mike also saw it and we both commented because ours didn't have them we thought it was very posh and a good idea for easy reference, the Dandy was bought from Riva![]()
Helen wrote:Okay there are going to be 7 of you, what would you prefer ..... more space with more seating options or a fridge and deeper units taking up the space? that's a choice only you can make but me and my hubby find a 5 berth Dandy just the right size for two of us and one dog plus occasionally having a toddler with us. It's like most tents, a two man is just about suitable for one person. A 6/lowside Destiny has more seating options and a bit more space inside because it doesn't have a fridge and it only has a two ring burner and narrower units. Whatever you buy make sure you have an awning, you'll need the extra space![]()
Helen wrote:... we couldn't find a date stamped on the A frame like we do on our Dandy's and thought perhaps the plate had covered it over.
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