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Tow Itch
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Refillable Gas Cylinders

Post by Tow Itch on Tue 12 Nov 2013, 9:35 am

Refillable gas cylinders or more correctly owner refillable gas cylinders have not really been an option for most Dandy owners.
On average we don't camp as often as the average caravanner(?) and we don't have water heating facilities. (Quiet at the back the one late model Destiny owner with a water heater) Also even if you wanted to have a user refillable gas system we don't have adequate storage for the bottles with remote filling systems.  Pictures of a 6Kg system here
The major players in the UK user refillable cylinder world Gaslow and GAS IT have always been very firm that you must have a remote fill system and not just try to refill the bottle at a petrol station.  
After covering the unlawful refilling of "Calor Gas" cylinders GAS IT go on to confirm that their cylinders must be permanently affixed and have a remote filling point.
GAS IT wrote:Please note :- To be safe and legal, the bottle needs to be attached to the vehicle they are being used for the heating and cooking with a remote fillpoint.  Do not try and get around any system of filling by simply buying a refillable bottle and remote fillpoint and having that fillpoint mounted in your car or van just to fill up the bootle to then remove your bottle when you get home for another use.  The pipes and fittings on our bottles are not items that are designed to be connected and disconnected frequently.  Also if you carry a gas bottle for filling in your car,  you need to comply with many more legal road going regulations for fillpoints, venting and traveling with gas bottles -  So if your intention is using our bottles like this,  please don't buy them.
uklpg echo this statement  http://www.uklpg.org/uploads/DOC4E7749E87E660.pdf  Now while the uklpg is just a trade group it also states that if a garage wants to fill these cylinders the garage must provide a trained member of staff to carry out the filling and  that the HSE concur with this
HSE wrote:This view has been confirmed in the Minutes of the HSE Petroleum Enforcement Liaison
Group meeting of 7th July 2005, which states “PLAs should consider issuing a prohibition
notice if their inspectors discover a site which allows members of the public to refill gas
cylinders”.
So if this all makes reuseable cylinders unsuitable for Dandy owners why write a piece on them.

Changes In attitudes

So what changed

First Safefill introduced a refillable cylinder system and established a network of gas establishments that would refill [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  

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The Safefill is a simple connect to the gas pump then connect to a propane regulator system. No additional bits required.
I'm unsure if the filling network gas stations fill for you to overcome the HSE pronouncement of 2005 or if attitudes have changed.
I think some people were dubious that the network would sustain itself and others just didn't like the idea of fibreglass cylinders a la BP's Gas Light not being over popular.
The cylinders are made in Sweden by Composites Scandanavia who I think are now owed by the Norwegian company that made the Gas Light.

Gaslow change their tack

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The new Gaslow direct fill cylinder. It comes with an adapter to allow direct filling and a 37mBar propane regulator with a 21.8LH female connection (Same as the old screw butane thread) to connect with the Gaslow bottle.

 http://www.gaslowdirect.com/epages/cyujrhdmmu67.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/cyujrhdmmu67/Categories/Cylinders

They have got a list of places that will definitely fill. It's similar to the Safefill list but not quite as many. !5 years till it needs testing rather than Safefill's 10.

All we need now is the ability of the designated fillers to be able to cease paying the 16.5pence per litre fuel duty and 5% Vat rather than the 20% on vehicle fuel. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  

Is it worth it to you

If you camp all year round and tend to use the gas heater it might just be suitable but the real benefit of these cylinders is for the people who when they are not camping are using the gas BBQ or a patio heater. Anyone who got a generator converted to take LPG. The big difference is that the cylinder is mobile.
Don't pop the cylinder into your cabinet heater though. Though not law UK convention is not to use propane indoors. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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