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Dandy Designer Awning Wanted ( 2005 Dk blue & White model)

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stella6yew

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Dandy Designer Awning Wanted ( 2005 Dk blue & White model)

Post by stella6yew on Sun 14 Aug 2016, 8:35 pm

Hi all.Just returned from a week at Cropredy in Oxfordshire after great first trip in the Dandy. I would like to try & find a PVC awning for it - it seemed a bit 'open' without an awning to sit in on an evening when it cooled down a bit. My existing Designer has the full width zip already fitted to the roof edge to a attach the awning to.

navver

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Re: Dandy Designer Awning Wanted ( 2005 Dk blue & White model)

Post by navver on Mon 15 Aug 2016, 10:42 am

Hi Stella and welcome to the forum.

The zip is for the Marachel acrylic awnings which are deeper (front wall further from the dandy). They have pole which hook on to plastic eyes fitted near the zip.

The PVC awnings use no special fittings on the dandy. The poles hook over the door wall and the roof passes under the dandy roof then ties to the roof poles inside. The roof rope pulls the roof don tight on it making a good seal.

My designer had the zip but no awning as well. Ian at Riva said they often fitted the zip to dandies they were taking to a show. That way if they were sold at the show the buyer had a choice of having an awning or not.

I suspect the PVC dandy awnings are more robust in strong winds but are smaller and definitely more difficult to erect. I think, being PVC, they will last longer as well.

You may find them difficult to buy separately, they rarely come up. They need to be specific for a designer, a dart or delta awning won't fit well. They need to be the same colour unless you can live with say a light blue and white or a brown one.

You may find you can adapt a caravan or camper van drive away awning to suit. These threads may help

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We had the PVC dandy sun canopy for ours which we loved. It gave a sense of sitting out in the dandy without feeling exposed but was nice and open so we could enjoy the views and sunsets etc. it was easier to put up than a full awning.

stella6yew

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Re: Dandy Designer Awning Wanted ( 2005 Dk blue & White model)

Post by stella6yew on Mon 15 Aug 2016, 1:08 pm

Ah - thanks for that, I did I wonder what the plastic eyelet things were for. We seem to have a full set of metal rods of varying description with a large box shaped hook on the end, but no awning. We also have a heavy duty PVC awning in White Whicker we havnt used yet as I didn't think it would help much to stop the chill on an evening, merely the sun during the day ( which I don't want to block out !).
I may just see what effect the sun canopy has when we next use the dandy.
Thanks for the most helpful advice.

stella6yew

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Re: Dandy Designer Awning Wanted ( 2005 Dk blue & White model)

Post by stella6yew on Mon 15 Aug 2016, 1:12 pm

*oops, sorry, I meant heavy duty PVC sun canopy in white.

navver

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Re: Dandy Designer Awning Wanted ( 2005 Dk blue & White model)

Post by navver on Mon 15 Aug 2016, 3:24 pm

The metal rods sound like the steel frame for the sun canopy. It is actually the same frame as used for the awning. It is useful because it gives you a dry area outside as well as being a very useful sun shade. The canopy is basically the roof of a PVC awning.

Riva dandy say on their website that TVS in Bolton have made some sides to convert a sun canopy into a full awning. Here.

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Now that will be an excellent awning giving you the choice of a sunshade or full awning. The sides can probably be added by zipping or 'poppering' after you put the canopy up.

The PVC awning is heavy so this arrangement will be easier to put up.

Overall I think this is your best bet and you can probably go direct to TVS.

I think an awning definitely increases the value of a dandy making it much easer to sell.

Mine was a 2005 Designer which I sold through Riva earlier this year. It had the canopy, I wonder if it is my old one. It was unique in that it had a vent grille in the door and the wall above, most only having one. Also the window over the bed has a perspex sheet in it as well as the normal flexible window in the roof section. Also had an under bed skirt.

stella6yew

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Re: Dandy Designer Awning Wanted ( 2005 Dk blue & White model)

Post by stella6yew on Mon 15 Aug 2016, 10:18 pm

Mine does have the Perspex cover over bedroom window but only one vent above the door, it dies not have a vent in the door, it was close, everything else seems the same.

navver

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Re: Dandy Designer Awning Wanted ( 2005 Dk blue & White model)

Post by navver on Tue 16 Aug 2016, 2:26 pm

The vent is in the top of the door on the inside. I don't think it shows outside. Also had a shelf, green fridge, underskirt.

stella6yew

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Re: Dandy Designer Awning Wanted ( 2005 Dk blue & White model)

Post by stella6yew on Tue 16 Aug 2016, 3:02 pm

Ah right, could even be then. It's packed away now we are home so can't really check inside door for vent & to be honest I can't really remember. Another clincher may be it came with X2 cylinders of the Eoropean 'Camping Gaz ' style gas bottles not the Calor Butane / Propane type. I bet it is the one you used to own you know - small world I guess.

navver

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Re: Dandy Designer Awning Wanted ( 2005 Dk blue & White model)

Post by navver on Tue 16 Aug 2016, 3:54 pm

Yep, mine had 2 camping gaz bottles. Small world but the world of dandies isn't that big. I still haven't seen another one on a site.

So yes you have the standard awning frame including the front centre pole. I assembled the frame first, laying put all the poles in place on the ground first. The left and right cross poles were marked, the longest on the left. (L on L). The hooks go inside the roof bar slots to lock the awning poles and roof bars together.

Then fitted canopy to front while still rolled and put in guys as I unrolled it to keep it in place. It slides around otherwise.

Popper to the poles and pass it under the roof and tie loosely inside. Then pull roof rope down.

stella6yew

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Re: Dandy Designer Awning Wanted ( 2005 Dk blue & White model)

Post by stella6yew on Wed 17 Aug 2016, 11:30 am

Thanks for all that, will give sun canopy a go when I next use it. On another note, I intend to use the Dandy in self sufficient mode in the main, no EHU if possible. I did have issues with my car electrics ( car battery ran low ), must be an anomaly with my car electrics / locking system as battery was not flat & would still still start car but the boot / door locks played up, locking & unlocking themselves until battery charged up on drive home. Anyway can you help with the fitting of a leisure battery that charges from the car as you drive - where does battery go, is it in the middle section of front storage box between spaces for gas cylinders or does it go in the storage area under the seat next to the cooker with all the rest of the electrical gizmos ? Where is best to have it done, back with Ian at Riva or an auto electric place nearer home ( I am based about 130 miles from Riva in Wigan). So I don't hog this site , could you let me have your email address & I will update you with photos / travels etc of your ex Dandy.

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Re: Dandy Designer Awning Wanted ( 2005 Dk blue & White model)

Post by navver on Wed 17 Aug 2016, 4:43 pm

We always used mains hook up so the TV, fridge and wife's hairdryer would work.

If you plug the grey plug into the grey 12s socket on the car, all the 12volt sockets in the dandy will work from the car battery. This uses pin 4 and earth pin 3 on the socket which is permanently live on the car. That will run the pump and light from the car battery. But beware that if you leave it connected it will run your car battery flat after a while.

Pin 6 and earth pin 7 are normally used for battery charging and fridge supply in a caravan while towing as they are only live when the engine is running.

You can put a leisure battery in the middle of the front gas box and use this adaptor from Riva Dandy.

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Simply plug the dandy grey plug into the grey socket on the adaptor and the battery terminals to the battery. Then the sockets in the dandy will be live from the leisure battery and can be used to run the light and pump.

Personally as an electrical engineer, I would warn that that adaptor is not particularly safe because it does not seem to be fused. A battery holds a lot of energy and if you connect the two battery terminals together the cable will immediately burn. You may wish to discuss this with Ian at Riva Dandy before buying or have a lead made up with a fuse, preferably one for each pole.

To charge the leisure battery while towing may be more difficult. I think you would need another adaptor making up. A grey plug one end with pin 6 and earth pin 7 connected to the battery terminals. Plug the plug into the car and the battery terminals to the battery. Not a very convenient way of using it.

This swapping over is normally done using something like a Zig control panel which handles the swapping from running on the car battery or dandy battery, either charging from the car or from the site EHU ( Electric Hook Up).

The dandy should not use much power though. One light and a water pump is all there is. A leisure battery would probably easily last a fortnight or more without charging. I used a caravan for a week using lights, pump, a black and white portable TV, etc and the battery was still half charged. The TV was used about 3 hours a day.

The 12volt electrics are in the bottom left hand kitchen cupboard on the left. This is just a connector strip with a feed in from the grey plug and from the mains power supply unit and outgoing cables to the three 12volt sockets to the left of the kitchen.

The mains power supply unit in the front seat box is suitable for using without a battery and will power the light and pump from the site EHU. You should have a lead, the orange one with blue plugs. This unit will get warm when in use so be careful not to cover it with bedding etc. or it will get too hot.

The 12 volt electrics are all standard Riva Dandy fitment and are a bit unconventional compared to caravans but very simple.

I would suggest you try the Riva adaptor system, but getting one made with fuses first. If that is OK, no need to mess with the complication of charging from the car while towing. If you are towing a lot then the car battery should be well charged and would do for overnight stops.

Simply unplug the grey plug from the adaptor socket and plug it into the car to change over to towing, remembering to unplug if leaving the car for a time.

Sorry this is a bit involved but it should help anyone who makes up the lead etc a bit of background information.

I've not tried the fridge on gas. It will need a pipe connecting to it and I don't know if there is a place for plugging it in. I always put it in the car for travelling and plugged it into the car power socket. That worked well, then used mains hook up on site. You might put a regulator on the second cylinder and connect it direct to the fridge. I'm not sure how people do that in dandies. Maybe someone else can post with a suggestion.


Brianlec

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Re: Dandy Designer Awning Wanted ( 2005 Dk blue & White model)

Post by Brianlec on Wed 17 Aug 2016, 6:42 pm

stella6yew wrote:Anyway can you help with the fitting of a leisure battery that charges from the car as you drive
What socket(s) do you have on the car? Do you just have the old 7 pin, or do you also have the additional 7 pin? Maybe you have the newer 12 pin one?

If you have either of the last two you should be able to charge a leisure battery from the car while travelling. Don't risk using the car battery, that's a recipe for disaster.

Any auto electrician should be able to help.

stella6yew

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Re: Dandy Designer Awning Wanted ( 2005 Dk blue & White model)

Post by stella6yew on Wed 17 Aug 2016, 7:38 pm

Thanks for that - I have the black 7 pin for running lights, indicators etc & had an addiditional grey 7 pin socket fitted to connect interior lights, water pump etc via the grey connector already fitted to the Dandy. Which works ok, it's just that when parked up & am powering the occasional 3w light, sink water pump & charger for iPads, mobile phone etc tends to reduce power in car battery. It's odd, car battery still easily charged enough to start car, but central locking boot seems to play up when power reduces to the point that it just keeps unlocking itself, quite disconcerting on journey home for first 90 mins or so until it had recharged sufficiently to stop playing up.

Brianlec

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Re: Dandy Designer Awning Wanted ( 2005 Dk blue & White model)

Post by Brianlec on Wed 17 Aug 2016, 10:30 pm

As I understand it, the blue wire from that additional (12s) grey socket is for battery charging, so an auxiliary battery in the Dandy would be charged up while travelling. Any auto electrician or trailer specialist should be able to sort it out for you.
You would then run all the interior trailer lights and pump from the auxiliary battery not the car one.

navver

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Re: Dandy Designer Awning Wanted ( 2005 Dk blue & White model)

Post by navver on Thu 18 Aug 2016, 1:53 pm

Pins 6 & 7 are for fridge/battery charging coloured red and black since 1998. Blue was pre 1998 wiring system from pin 2. This dandy is 2005.

As I've said this particular dandy simply isn't equipped for even having a battery at the moment.

I've explained the options.

stella6yew

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Re: Dandy Designer Awning Wanted ( 2005 Dk blue & White model)

Post by stella6yew on Thu 18 Aug 2016, 3:24 pm

Thanks 'navver', have ordered the 12S adaptor from Ian at Riva, & also ordered a leisure battery from Halfords that will fit neatly into the 'basket space' between the 2 gas cylinder storage spaces in the front storage compartment. I have also ordered a CTEC MSX7.0 battery charger to keep everything charged up nicely. A little expensive but it seems to get great reviews. To be honest it's worth it to not have to go through 90 mins of the hatch on the car 'popping open' whilst towing home. I agree with you that the battery will easily do me for 2 weeks at least, bearing in mind we don't take a tv, elect kettle etc. I have added a T piece with quick release valve on a length of gas hose so we run the Coolbox off the gas supply so no electric use there. I do like you suggested & plug it into the car cigarette lighter socket on the journey to the site so it is already nice & chilled when we arrive. Even though the car battery easily started the car after a week parked up, having used it all week to power a small table light with a 3w bulb, using sink water pump, & charging our iPads, phones & Wifi etc, the car electrics / central locking clearly did not like the drop in power as per the problems we encountered on our journey home with boot lock / central locking. Still hopefully a thing of the past now I have the leisure battery on its way.

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